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body in a swamp but we do know that her mom casey walks free to start a new life. if you can believe it she is even appealing her four convictions for lying to police. arthur, i'm going to start with you. the late taste we heard is that there is a woman who says that she is caylee's grandmother, that h her son was the father of little caylee. how does she prove this? >> from a scientific point of view, saying that her son is dead and he ci died in a car accident. presumably grandma, the new

grandma has something with dna on it from her son. his hairbrush or toothbrush or something like that. they do have caylee's dna and they scientifically will see if there is a match. >> judge jeanine: an easy thing to establish whether or not she is the grandmother. >> what troubles me is where has she been. now, she shows up? the kid would have been five years old. >> judge jeanine: let's assume that she establishes paternity on the part of her deceased son. she is talking about a wrongful death lawsuit. is this like a redo of o.j. where the defendant is acquitted of murder but then someone sues civilly. >> except that the plaintiffs in the o.j. simpson case were extremely close personal relationships with the deceased. this is a grandmother who never ever took any affirmative steps to find her granddaughter eve.

now, that the spot light is on her and casey might get a million dollar whatever deal now she shows up. it is distasteful. >> judge jeanine: not only distasteful but at the end of the day she can sue and if she wins what are her damages? >> none. people say in a civil case there is liability and then there is damages. let's say she wins on liability and prove that casey did cause the disappearance of caylee. what is your damages? how heart broken are you, grandma, because you haven't seen the granddaughter. >> judge jeanine: i have to live with the fact that i wasn't able to meet my granddaughter that was alive for three years and i never saw her. the d.a. is suing for the cost of the investigation, mark. have you ever seen a case where you actually recover from a defendant for the costs of an investigation? >> i have never seen or heard of it but certainly there has been all kinds of new

precedents set in this case. jury doesn't have to listen to the evidence, they can use opening statements as evidence. they can do what they choose and they can demand a cause of death even though it is not necessary to come up with any of the convictions that was offered to the jury. so i think anything is possible in this case. tim miller with equisearch. you started equisearch when your daughter was the victim of a homicide and i have empathy and sympathy for you. but when you come across a family like this that tells you that your little daughter, granddaughter is missing and you use all of your resources and then find out that the defense says well, she was never really missing, she drown, how does that make you feel? >> certainly made us feel used. and there is other families out there that really did need us.

and we denied their help because all of our resources, 4200 plus people and 112,000 plus dollars was used on a little child that never was missing according to casey's attorney in the opening statements. i only felt that it is fair to these families that we didn't help, only fair as to the families that will be calling us and certainly is only fair to the the people that have supported us and donated to us to make some type of attempt to go ahead and see if we can recover some of these moneys that we spent on a missing child case that was never missing. >> judge jeanine: and tim, who brought you into this case? >> cindy anthony. she called me up and i said cindy, i can't tell you i can help you because we have got a law enforcement has to approve our coming in. >> judge jeanine: cindy is the one that called you in but you

are now suing casey. jose baez was also present when they told you casey wa case cas missing. are you suing jose as well? >> casey there was and jose baez told me the same thing, we know she is alive out there some where hopefully you can get her located and bring her back but you can do whatever you need to do to it find little caylee but you cannot ask my client any questions about h her missing daughter. >> have you ever talk to her or ask her questions or you didn't? >> no, i didn't because jose baez said no but every day casey is saying you heard anything. >> judge jeanine: i have a few more questions. tim, the orange county sheriff's confirmed there is a tampering with a witness investigation involving a volunteer with your organization texas equisearch. the concern is that you filed

the report and i have seen these reports, very well done but you and your organization that i have tremendous respect for. but she is saying she was where the body was little caylee was found and there was no smell, no body, no water a few months before and implication is that someone from the defense team coached her. what can you tell us about this volunteer on texas equisearch? >> i'm hearing the same thing. that is part of the police investigation. where it goes and her name is laura buchanan and when she came down from i believe it was tennessee she said that she was with law enforcement and she came down to help and but i know that she was e-mailing mark nejames my attorney in florida prior to coming down seeing how she could contact the anthonys. and it was real strange that she went to jose baez with this paperwork. and she definitely -- no question. >> judge jeanine: you are

saying that one of your volunteers was in contact with jose baez and as a result of her contacting him which is unusual i assume for a volunteer. is that correct? >> right, that's correct. that's correct. >> judge jeanine: mark, the prosecutors are saying that they are not going to prosecute cindy for perjury but now are going after witness tampering. isn't that tough to prove, mark fuhrman? >> i don't think it will be productive to go after cindy anthony. maybe part of her participation in the chloroform searches, what her claim was actually derailed the prosecution's case, especially for premeditation. they could go after her. i think they have had enough of this case. prosecuting a mother is going to be tough. >> judge jeanine: and they have already said that they are not going. i'm going to go last to you, arthur. defamation by zenaida gonzalez

against casey, does she win? >> even if she does, are there any huge damages here? maybe, maybe. but you have a woman who -- did she lose her job? is she not getting work because of this? >> judge jeanine: she says she did. >> maybe it is damages. let's say $100,000. when is she going to see that money? >> judge jeanine: i don't know, when casey collects. anyway, thanks to my panel. coming up on "justice," did someone else help casey cover up caylee's death? one of her defense attorneys is here to answer. and how much money will casey make selling her story? next, on "justice."

>> judge jeanine: jose baez was the trial showman, the face of the casey anthony defense team. if casey had been convicted of murder one, this is the lawyer who would have fought to save h

her live. >> november 15, 2008, did you go with a man named james hoover to suburban drive? >> she is one of the most respected defense attorneys in the country, ann fanell. her specialty, death penalty cases. she was brought in on casey's defense team last year and would have handled the penalty phase of the trial. >> we the jury find the defendant not guilty. >> she says the case was over before it began. one big reason, the jury members the defense selected. another crucial factor according to fanell, not one witness said they thought casey was capable of murdering caylee. most in fact called her a good mom. >> did there appear to be a lot of love between caylee and

casey? >> judge jeanine: so what does she think really happened to caylee? ann is a member of the casey anthony defense team and a death penalty specialist. can you tell us what really happened to little caylee? >> no, i can't. i don't think anybody can. i think that obviously casey anthony chose not to testify in the case and that is a story for her to tell. certainly the evidence suggests the facts of the case suggest that casey was in jail for most of the time subsequent to july 15. so, assumeing that the body wasn't there in the woods on july 15 certainly other persons were likely to be involved. >> judge jeanine: okay. and by other persons, the defense team has done everything, thrown the book at george anthony and accused him of child molestation and framing his daughter for a

murder that really was an accident. is he the one who was supposedly in possession of the body? is that what the defense said? >> i don't think the defense really said anything. there was no evidence presented at this trial. and obviously the jury was instructed that anything mr. baez said in the opening statement was not evidence and should not be considered as such. i think the jury had obviously george anthony to look at. they had mr. cronk to look at. any number of people to look at whose behavior was odd. i don't think the jury knew. i think one of the reasons the jury came back with a verdict of not guilty was that they couldn't figure out what happened after listening to a month of testimony. >> judge jeanine: and there is no question and that is to the defense team's credit. i was in that courtroom most every day. is that the defense said this was a drowning. if it were a drowning, that is what jose baez said, why

wouldn't someone just call 911. you you never explain that to the jury. >> well, and, of course, it wasn't our burden to explain anything to the jury. and i don't -- you know, like i said, i don't have the answer that you are looking for. i think the grief specialist that was called and presented by the defense at least shed some light on the fact that some people don't react the way we would expect them to when faced with this type of catastrophe. and i can only attribute casey's behavior to that. >> judge jeanine: and you know, ann, when you talk about this grief expert and obviously the prosecution and they were on this show, said the grief expert basically said that any behavior is consistent with someone who is grieving, whether you are happy or sad, can't get out of bed, do get

out of bed, go dancing. more importantly, how do you deal with a client and i don't think there is any question, ann and i don't think you can disagree with me. how do you agree with a chi -- how do you deal with a client who is a nonstop liar? >> i don't know that she necessarily is a nonstop liar. there are certainly aspects to her behavior during the 31 days that caylee was missing which showed that she was not telling the truth but her character prior to that time was not one necessarily of nonstop lying. i know that was what the prosecution wanted everyone to believe but that simply was really not the case during that 31 days casey anthony was really acting out of character. >> judge jeanine: but ann, with all due respect. we had people here on the show, the guy she was living with, his roommate said she was going to work.

she told her parents for two years she was going to universal studios to work. this isn't just after the death, the drowning, whatever. this was before. the woman said she worked at a place and took cops there when she never did. you can't deny is a nonstop pathological liar. >> she certainly didn't tell the truth about her work history. given an opportunity to explain that she would have been able to explain that one aspect. to take one aspect about saying you are work when you are not working and turn her into a pathological liar is taking a step that is a little bit too far. >> judge jeanine: that is where we disagree. >> okay. >> judge jeanine: last question. what about you are appealing the four convictions for lying which is on videotape and things the jurors did agree with unanimously. on what grounds who you appeal? >> well, candidly, two of the counts, the what she was

convicted of lying about were not material at all to any issues surrounding the investigation in this case. and that was raised in the judgment of acquittal. the absence of materiality which as you know as a prosecutor is generally an element to a crime. so, the statute was a little broad in that regard and i think that that is a quite an appealable issue. i think we are trying to get a clarification of the statute. >> judge jeanine: and there are people who would disagree on that and she certainly has the right to appeal. ann, thanks for being with us this evening. thanks very much. >> thanks for having me. >> judge jeanine: in just a few hours, casey will walk out of jail a free woman. will george and cindy ever welcome them into their home again? plus, how much money will casey make?

and who is paying her?

i'll do whatever the hell i have to, to get my family back together. that's it that's all i want to

do. >> i know in my heart, mom, i know in my gut she is all right. every day i get stronger and i still know 24 that she is comig home. i can still feel that she is coming home. >> the anthonys did not want the ultimate punishment for their daughter casey but they did want answers as to how their grand daughter died. joining us is the attorney for the anthonys. reports are, mark, that george anthony says that casey is not welcome at the family home. true? >> it is -- i'm not sure where exactly that is coming from. i actually had george in my office today and i asked him if he has give than information to anybody and he has not disclosed what he feels or thinks about casey that the time. and at such time that they feel they will talk they will let everybody know what they think. he hasn't given any indication one way or another.

>> how about cindy, how does she feel? >> same thing. she wanted to go see casey last friday and was rebuked either by her attorney or by casey herself. since then she hasn't made any other effort to try and see her because she knows that from casey's attorney jose that casey won't be seeing her. >> i got to tell you, mark, look. she accused her father of molesting her every morning before she got on the bus before she went to school. how does george anthony not feel like he doesn't want to see this kid again for the rest of h her life anyway? >> well, you know, we -- that never actually came from casey in the trial. and certainly there has never been any evidenced from it. until we hear from casey herself george is basically reserving giving any thought about that right now. he is upset about the comments but doesn't know exactly where they came from. >> i think it is kind of interesting. you think that baez made that

stuff up? he wouldn't do that without hearing it from casey. >> sure, it is unethical and i wouldn't suggest that he would do that in any way, shape or form but may have just been presenting another alternative as a near arery but you have to have a basis when you say things like that. >> judge jeanine: you and i have been doing this for 100 years. i don't think i ever heard that one and i bet you haven't either. cindy during the trial gets off the stand and mouths i love you to her daughter. now, there are those who believe she perjured herself on the standed. i don't want to go there with you. and she did everything she could to try to mend things with casey. even tried to visit her at the jail. how does cindy live with george who casey through her attorney saided molested her every day? i mean how did they stay together? >> well, cindy knows that george never did anything to casey and cindy knows that none of those allegations made by

mr. baez on behalf of his client were true. and there has never been any evidence of it. so there is no problem living with george and certainly you have the issue with a mother's love versus dealing with what the attorney said. as a mother, i don't think you would ever stop loving your children. >> judge jeanine: what about if casey does not see her parents, are they going to try through you or any one else to meet with her? >> you know, we have made attempts to meet with her or arrangements and mr. baez has indicated security is very, very strong and it would be unsafe for anybody to meet at any time and they are are making arrangements to take care of casey and make sure she is secure. >> judge jeanine: well, and abc is reporting that casey is willing to talk to lee when is ready. is lee receptive, your client lee, to talking to casey? >> you know, lee will talk when

wants to talk also about what he wants to do. and certainly i know mr. mason has said on different interviews that cindy or i'm sorry. casey didn't want to have relation with either george or cindy but nobody has mentioned lee at this time. so at any time at least it sounds like casey wants some sort of relationship with lee. lee will explain what he wants to do when wants to. >> judge jeanine: does the family have any idea where casey is going when she is released. there is even talk that she is going to live with an aunt in texas? >> the texas thing is purification. i talked to -- is pure fiction. i talked to my clients about that as well. there is no family that they know of in texas. this woman said she was part of a family conversation. we are still trying to figure out which family she was con

conversesatting with. people are coming out of the wood work to make things up and try and get their 10 seconds of fame. for whatever reason this woman happens to think that cindy is writing a book for a $3 million deal. there was a family meeting that she was a part of and casey is coming to live with her. i'm hearing that the town that she lives in is not happy with those statements. i can assure all of them at the very least we don't think she is going there and there is probably a small chance she would be ending up in texas. >> and george has joined the campaign to get caylee's law passed. is cindy going to join that campaign as well? >> well, it is -- the anthonys are currently focused on creating their foundation in the memory of caylee. it is called caylee's fund.org and should be up and running by the end of the week. and part of that organization is to support the final version of whatever caylee's law comes

into play. right now we are behind representative plakin and diaz in miami, the coauthors of it for the state of florida. and then whatever federal version comes into play we just have to wait and see. >> judge jeanine: mark, thanks so much for being with us this evening. >> thank you very much. >> judge jeanine: and up next, will casey anthony rake in a fortune or will public outrage scare off her immediateddia suitors? and a young boy loses his way and asks a strange for help. what happens next shocks even the police. we have the latest details. fo.

>> judge jeanine: welcome back to "justice." i'm judge jeanine pirro. florida taxpayers footed the bill for casey anthony's defense because she was broke. people are now sending casey money. about $400 so far. but now that she is free, casey eduld be looking at a million payday. they say crime doesn't pay but try telling that so some of the most infamous defendants of the last 20 years. remember mary kay letourneau? the school teacher locked up for sleeping with a 13-year-old student. once out of jail she married him and by some reports was

paid up to $500,000 for the rights to their wedding video. >> whenever somebody told me i don't think you can do that or do this i said well, watch me. >> there is also tonya harding. convicted of covering up her ex-husband's attack on rival skater nancy kerrigan. she made a whopping $400,000 for a series of tabloidp.tv interviews. and who could forget the long island lolita amy fisher. >> if i could change everything, i would. if i could put my hands over and make it go away, i would. >> she sold the rights to her life story for $60,000. and used the moola as bail money. >> it makes no sense. it doesn't fit. if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> judge jeanine: then the most infamous of all, o.j. simpson.

he pocketed $880,000 for a book and television interview, money he allegedly spent before the public outcry led to the of the deal itself. is a free and clear casey anthony about to rake in a fortune or will public outrage scare off any rich media suitors? joining me now to hash this all out is dylon howard, senioring ecktive editor of star magazine and radar online. thanks for being with us this evening. what offers does she already have in her pocket? >> publicly at least there is one offer. now, this deal is being mastermind by a free lance television producer. much in the way that the famous interviewer david frost orchestrated that interview with richard nixon. he would do this interview and then he would attempt to place it in the mainstream media.

and inevitably that is the big concern here because most mainstream media organizations publicly are reluctant to put forward an offer to casey anthony when you have two out of three americans believeing that she was guilty in the murder of caylee. would be constituted as something like blood money and therefore they are reluctant to put their number to such a lucrative deal. >> and this free lance t.v. producer that you reference, would he end up selling it to the networks? how would that work? >> that would be one way in which the networks would be able to alleviate themselves of that blood money mantra, if you like, if they were to acquire the interview via a third-party. that said, inevan inevans inevs

back to casey anthony. he has had contact with the defense team and they are attempting to secure a meeting to certainly discuss this. at the same time, though, the networks are well and truly involved. they are in florida and they are working their contacts and attempting to secure it but secure it in a way that would not necessarily tarnish them in the eyes of their viewers. >> judge jeanine: so that dylon, she does not have an agent. her defense team is acting or receiving the offers on her behalf? >> they are that the point. jose baez was linked to a hollywood talent agency and not soon after that talent agency announced internally they were going to represent jose baez in the potential book deals and television program p and potential film. he was dropped from that talent agency. i don't think you will see casey anthony represented by any one that would be seen to be marketing it on her behalf. >> judge jeanine: and dylon, how much do you think she can make?

as you say, two thirds of the american public think she is guilty of murder. at the end of the day, they are not going to buy her books, are they? >> that is the great paradox of the whole journalism debate, at anisn't it? you and i have questions that we want to ask casey anthony. i want to know what happened to caylee. i also want to know who the father was. we want to ask these questions and i as a journalist want to ask these questions of casey anthony. there is that appetite. the public do want to consume this but at the same time therein lies a delicate balancing act for any media organization. balancing their obligation to their viewers and their audience against the obligation not to pay someone constituting essentially what would be blood money. >> judge jeanine: and how do you think, dylon, she makes the decision as to who to go with? >> i don't think she will have too much choice is. she has a one million dollars from a it tv freelance produce

territories could very well be the only offer she has. not forgetting it was the anthony family who licensed a home video collection of video of caylee and casey and sold that to abc news, it was revealed for some $200,000. in everybodin evans visitableyl is being done. that is how media organizations are able to secure interviews. license videos and in exchange for that get an interview. >> i'm curious as to whether oprah is in there negotiating, katie couric in there negotiating. i mean have you interested, dylon? >> i'm interested in asking the questions. would i pay her personally? no, i wouldn't and for the reason that i articulated that two thirds of the american public believe that she is guilty of the murder of her daughter and morally i couldn't authorize a payment to go to her. do i want to ask questions of

her? absolutely, as you would, too, judge. >> judge jeanine: no question i want to ask questions but given her history of pathological lying i don't think i even want to hear her answer. what about the fact that there are people sending her money while she is in jail? what do you make of that? >> only a marginal amount. let's face it. may have received a small amount of money but she is not a sympathetic figure. that is why she is not getting more than $400 and why the media organizations don't necessarily want to be writing a check to her. >> let's hope that you are right about it. dylon, thanks for being with us this evening. and casey anthony behind bars in solitary confinement for three years. now, about to free a free woman. how does she make the adjustment. and, a junge boy gets lost walking home. he asks a strange for help and disappears.

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me. and to be brave. >> judge jeanine: welcome back to "justice." casey anthony's defense team says she is getting death threats and they fear for her safety. after three years in isolation, how does casey deal with her newfound freedom and can an outraged public forgive and forget? and should they? psychologist dr. robi ludewig joins me. been in jail for three years. solitary confinement. going to walk out a free bird in a few hours. how does she handle this? >> case s very manipulative. i think she will use her new found celebrity and make the most out of her situation now and being known and famous or infamous. are she might look for an agent. going to look for money for a good deal and she is going to find somebody who can take care of her and give her money, whatever the case may be.

this is a girl who knows how to look after number one. >> judge jeanine: how do you think that her parents feel about her being free. >> i'm sure on one level they are happy she didn't get the death penalty. after all, casey is their daughter. i'm sure the protective part of the parenting they love her on one level and don't want her to die. on another level she has really ruined their family. and wreaked havoc with their lives. i'm sure they are incredibly enraged and have a lot of conflicted feelings towards her. >> judge jeanine: do you think sheltersle ever patch that one up? >> i sauce say as long as there is life this is hope. it is always possible. we don't know what point where the parents will be at where they need to somehow find some kind of resolution for whatever reason. is it a guarantee? listen, it will be a very, very tough road and who can blame george for not wanting to forgive his daughter. she basically annihilated his

person in front of the whole entire world. >> judge jeanine: i watched him in the courtroom, robi, and i got to tell you. i watched him weep about his suicide. a cop who is supposedly saying to his daughter you're going to go to life for an accidental drowning. you have the mother mouthing to her daughter i love you. probably perjuring herself by taking authorship of the searches. do you think cindy is in a different place than george? >> sounds like that. sounds like cindy somehow enables her daugher to misbehave. i'm not sure why there is. sounds like there is a mother daughter dance that is very unhealthy that somehow kept this cycle in motion. she allowed casey to overpend on her credit card. probably get away with a lot and probably the father was the one who said hey, something is

not right here and was more inclined to be confrontational. >> i think that is confirmed by the fact that the bounty hunter, the young woman who was tracy mclaughlin i think her name was who was with casey said that george came in and said i want to know where my granddaughter is. the kinds of reactions that you would expect and the mother said get out of here which kind of confirms what you are saying. now, reportedly casey says that she wants to talk to her brother lee when is ready. that is a quote. what is up with that? what is going on between those two? >> you know, i'm not sure what that is all about. i don't know if it is all manipulative. i think casey always has an angle. maybe she wants to talk to lee to segue back into the home. maybe she is kind of feeling all of the possibilities for herself. what if she can't find a job. what if nobody offers her anything. i don't think that is likely. she is going to make money.

>> and i think that is what bothers people about the situation so much. here is a person who misbehaves, is completely outrageous. probably sociopathic and how is she going get million dollar deals, book deals, interviews. that is our country here and people are having a problem with that. >> judge jeanine: isn't that a commentary on our culture and how she celebrityize criminals. and she is a criminal and convicted of four counts of lying. >> at this point she is a fascinating person. we still don't know how caylee died. people know on some level she knows something and is not revealing it and people want to know. we want an answer to the story. >> judge jeanine: do you think that the defense team is right to be concerned about vigilantes? >> absolutely. >> judge jeanine: you do? >> absolutely. there are people out there who are making threats against people who look like casey anthony. so, people feel very angry that

here is a woman who wasn't convicted on any counts, it is not fair. and they feel enraged that somehow there was a lack of fairness in the justice issues it temperature. i'm not saying i agree with it but that is the feeling out there with some. >> judge jeanine: i tell you right now i think the whole thing is backwards. but casey wrote that she wanted to have another baby and maybe even adopt one from ireland. what does this tell you about this woman? >> it is almost like have you ever had a dress that you got rid of and then after you got rid of it said i really loved that treasure, in fact, it is in style and i will go out and look for another dress just like this. i think for casey having a child is like an accessory and maybe she wants to prove she can do it again but it is not based on a mother who really loves a child. it is on something else. >> judge jeanine: always good to have you. thanks for being with us. all right. an 8-year-old boy asks a strange for help and then disappears. the shocking details of what

happen ad, next, on "justice."

>> judge jeanine: a horrible sore story this week left a

tight knit brooklyn community shattered. even the police were shake ton their core. -- shake ton their core. he only had to make it 7 blocks. on monday afternoon 8-year-old lieby left day camp to walk home. the first time his parents let him make the trip by himself but he quickly became disoriented. lieby is seen on grainy surveillance footage lost and alone. he stopped a strange and asked for help. but lieby never made it home. a frantic search began, less than 48 hours after he vanished, police identified the strange, levy aaron. early wednesday morning, police went to aaron's attic apartment and found h his door slightly open. detectives asked where the boy was and he nodded toward the kitchen. inside the refrigerator was a

cutting board with three carving knives with blood on them. >> some of his remains were in the freezer. and aaron led police to the rest. in a suit case inside a dumpster a couple of miles away. >> he was in a 1990 brown honda accord with aaron who subsequently brought the boy to his apartment, killed him there and then dismembered the body. >> after his arrest he told police he was "sorry for the hurt he caused." >> a former nypd major case detective. gill, what is the latest on this case? >> well, right now they are testing him to see if he is psychologically fit to go to court and his next court date is july 28. right now he is in bellevue hospital. in between bellevue and

reicher's island. >> this defendant has no criminal record, gill. what do we know about this guy? >> really unusual. no criminal record for somebody who did something so hideous as what he did, especially cutting up a kid which i don't even want to mention how did he that. in 2006 i think one of his wives made a complaint that she had an order of protection and he snuck in through a window and was laying next to her and she still kicked him out and he fought with her. she says that he had mental problems and was taking medication even at that time. >> judge jeanine: interesting and they are keying it up for an insanity defense which is another issue. why did this guy confess so quickly. we have dealt with these guys for years. why does he right off the bat say okay, i did it? >> the whole situation about history and when you confront somebody. right away you can tell who is going to talk and who isn't. this guy you knew he was going to talk.

especially when they confronted him. he is already hiding the fact where he chopped a body up and bringing some of his body parts to a dumpster, you know, like two miles away and then putting in a refrigerator other parts. how sick is this guy? >> judge jeanine: you know what, i got to tell you. i don't think it is sick. i think it is evil if he did it and, of course, he is only accuse. >> do you believe he panicked because he saw posters and then smothered the kid? >> i don't even believe his whole story. definitely not. how long could this kid stay with somebody like that and not get nervous about. he looks the same in the same community. did tie him up and did have rope marks on his arms and he did fight. >> judge jeanine: how sad. >> he said that he held him until he died and then described how he cut him up. >> judge jeanine: and bringing him to a wedding there is no backup for that. >> that is in rockland county. where would the kid stay. maybe he thought about it and

kept him in the car. >> he says he was at the wedding and nobody there confirms he was there. >> thanks for having me. i appreciate it. >> judge jeanine: and my thoughts. it is every parent's balancing act. how much independent do you give your child and how soon and it is every parent's nightmare hearing that your 8-year-old boy has been kidnapped and bruteally murdered. the truth is that every few seconds in this country someone becomes a victim of a violent crime. they didn't do anything or ask for it. they are simply abouting about their lives and like a thunder bolt their lives and the lives of all of them who surround them are changed forever. we rarely think to include, though, a child walking home from day camp in the middle of the day as being one of those victims. but unfortunately little 8-year-old leiby happened to ask a monster for directions. aaron is charged with murder in the first-degree. his lawyers are worried about his mental state. i for one am not.

what concerns me are the predators who roam freely among us. they sit next to us at church and synagogue. they are out next door neighbors. we don't know yet if this alleged murderer is apodida pedophile. i'm not worried about his mental state, i only worry about the victim, his family, his neighborhood and the commune tate has to suffer the presence of this monster and will forever suffer the ripple effect for years to come. thanks for being with us this evening. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. also get a free flight. you know that comes with a private island. really? no. it comes with a hat. you see, airline credit cards promise flights for 25,00miles, but... [ man ] there's never any seats for ,000 miles. frustrating, isn't it? but that won't happen with the capital one venture card. you can book any airline anytime.

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